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[L Ron Butterfly]

It is a huge embarassment to modern applied mathematics that there is no way to calculate the chances of winning a game of blind solitaire.

Apparently, about 80% of possible solitaire hands are potentially winnable, and this makes me feel very insecure because I don't win very often.

Windows keeps track of your win percentage in solitaire for you. I was going strong trying to break 40% for a while, but now I am officially down to 19% after a string of games that really makes me want to see the math behind the claim that 80% of games are winnable.

So, anyway, post your solitaire scores, along with your games won and lost:
16 out of 82 games won.
19%


This is the most exciting thread ever.

[Big Fagot]

one

[Fagzilla]

Apparently, about 80% of possible solitaire hands are potentially winnable, and this makes me feel very insecure because I don't win very often.

That of course depends on the rules.

Draw one? Draw three? One deck-pass? Three deck-passes?

I also agree that it's pathetic that stupid math - cocky fucking math that thinks it fucking knows everything - couldn't shed light on this years ago when I was intensely INTO solitaire, because they offered it at online casinos and I went on a rush one night and believed that I had found a SYSTEM for beating it and was going to make unlimited money, and since I couldn't find any math saying otherwise, I stayed deluded until well into the next day.

And then I learned a hard lesson, but that's another story!!!!!!!

[Fagzilla]

My logic basically was that maybe the casino looked at the game, and the past 100+ years or so of results, of the average person losing their ass at it, and just said, "well, we can't calculate precisely the house edge on this, but meh, it seems to be making us money!" But maybe, if you played it perfectly every time, maybe you could slip through the cracks, like maybe it was THE GAME that hadn't been discovered yet by the advantage players.

But no.

The game as it is offered (draw one; one pass) is really fucking brutal and not only can't be beaten, but is actually probably one of the most voracious money-devourers available to a casino player (draw three is even worse so don't go getting any ideas).

I tried it all, believe me.

I think I played casino solitaire online for 20 hours straight once.

[Fagzilla]

Man. I really like playing cards.

Just that point where you've been playing for a long ass time, and been awake forever, and you go into that ZENLIKE STATE and you emerge about five hours later, and the sun has risen.

There just isn't anything better than that.

[L Ron Butterfly]

Three draw. One deck. Whichever rules come standard with Windows without you having to change anything.

It seems to stabilize around 20%.

If only somebody could develop mathematical theory to support this empirical evidence.

It seems like, if the percentage of winnable games is 80 and in practice, you actually win around 20% of games, that means that you win 1/4 of the games you could, and could mean you have about a 1 in 4 chance of guessing correctly which card to turn over when faced with a choice. It seems like somebody could work backwards and solve this if they were math wizards and then maybe get a programming language named after them.

Anyway, Chris, it's hard to think of solitaire in gambling terms, like it being at a big fancy casino with lights and alcohol and cocktail waitresses since I've always seen it as something to idly do while listening to music when I'm completely bored and by myself, like a metaphor for masturbation or something.

[Fagzilla]

Solitaire, exactly as the Windows version plays today, has been offered in casinos since at least the late 1800's.

It hasn't always been popular, and I don't even know where you can find it now, but it's out there.

I don't know where you got that 80% number but it's horseshit, though you believing it is no surprise.

[Fagzilla]

Draw three is for faggot idiots, by the way.

[L Ron Butterfly]

It's on Wikipedia. It might be talking about draw one or something.


I really was just interested in what other people's win averages were, but instead I keep getting weakly insulted by insecure retards.

[Fagzilla]

Something about you makes abuse very tempting.

[L Ron Butterfly]

I don't like to think of myself as gullible.

But it's easy for me to get that reputation in an arena where everybody takes a lot of pride in being closed minded.

[Fagzilla]

Right there!

There it is. There's the thing!

[L Ron Butterfly]

Can you ever just not try embarrassingly hard?

[Fagzilla]

Oh, this is the Wikipedia thing you're talking about:
For a "standard" game of Klondike (of the form: Draw 3, Re-Deal Infinite, Win 52) the number of solvable games (assuming all cards are known) is between 82-91.5%.


That 80+% is for infinite deck-passes.

And with infinite deck-passes, if you somehow aren't winning exactly 100% of every solvable deal, then you should be put to death.

[Fagzilla]

I mean, if you can't win with UNLIMITED TIME AND OPPORTUNITY to go through the deck stub, your intelligence is sub-animal.

[FancyMichael]

Hey now ...

[Theldorrin]

I like how people like Chris seem to think that complicated things are actually simple, and then can't comprehend the most basic elements of probability (Ie. grade 8 math).

[Magic Juan]

Ie. your mom

[johnbuisthegreat]

Mine doesnt keep score but I can win a good amount. I play draw one and hope to win before I have to flip the deck which I have done once or twice. Anyways even if you "could" win 80% of them Solitaire is a game where you just cant fuck up.

[johnbuisthegreat]

anyways
1 loss
1 win (4408 score 173 time)
1 loss
1 win (3636 score 210 time)
1 loss (I know where I messed this one up)
1 loss
1 win (4798 score 165 time)

4 loss 3 win