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prosthetic forehead Slut or just enjoys sex? You decide. (6/30/01 12:20 am) |
What's twenty years... Okay folks here is a question for you. Does age really matter? This question has arisen because of my personal situation and an opportunity that has been presented to myself. A highly attractive older man has decided to declare his feelings. Now while this put me in a very large state of shock, I found that I was and am actually very tempted. So how much of a difference would you accept and give me your thoughts on if you personally think age makes a difference. Sincerely yours, Me So Horny |
ChrisPsaros  dargunbalzee rewlz!!!!11 (6/30/01 12:48 am) 
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Re: What's twenty years... OK, how many posts will it take.... |
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Zapd Bloo Fuck Queen (6/30/01 3:23 am) |
You mean, Before someone makes a stupid pedophilia joke? We shall have to see. Edits can be magical. YA DIG? Well, K-Girl, you already know my opinion. BUT for everyone else, I think that provided an individual is LEGAL and emotionally mature enough to be in a relationship, age is a minor issue. Emotional and mental and physical compatibility come first, and then security comes in second. While age necessarily brings a certain amount of baggage, I don't think that it should be allowed to exert major influence over how people express their feelings towards each other. Besides, I have talked to this guy, and OH BABY. |
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Triple Life H-N-I-C (6/30/01 3:34 am) 
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Re: What's twenty years... I agree entirely ZAPD! Those pedophilia jokes are redundant, and not at all fresh or funny. Of course, I just wanted to see your words under my name, so I had to taunt you into editing, BUT it is all worth it to get my ultimat point across. So thank you, my lovely moderatrix for bringing to the forefront a 'joke' that has long ago grown stale. Edit: No problem, love. Anything for good ole TL. Anything.
-HST, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas Edited by: Zapd Bloo at: 6/30/01 3:57:35 am |
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ChrisPsaros dargunbalzee rewlz!!!!11 (6/30/01 4:40 am)
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Re: You mean, I REALLY SHOULDN'T SAY THIS CONSIDERING MY "REPUTATION." But I think that "legal" stuff is a load of shit. Turning 18 does NOT magically endow a person with emotional (or even physical) maturity, nor does being under 18 make someone necessarily emotionally or physically immature. Those laws are only useful for protecting those "underaged" individuals who ARE emotionally/physically immature from predators who want to take advantage of them. But I've known 16 year old boys/girls who are a whole HELL of lot smarter and more mature than people in their 20's or older. Then there's the fact that just because you're in your late teens/twenties doesn't necessarily mean you're experienced sexually/emotionally. Is it morally wrong for a 22 year old guy to lose his virginity to a 15 year old girl who is also a virgin? Why? You can't say he's "more experienced" or "taking advantage of her," because they're both AT the same level of experience. And besides... even if we're not talking about experience... if I ever had a 16 year old daughter (for example) I'd probably rather she be having sex with a guy in his 20's who has the maturity to truly care about her than with some stupid 16 year old kid who doesn't know what the hell he's doing. Also, not every male over 18 desires younger women merely for base, physical reasons, which is an assumption that is often made. Sometimes people of widely varying ages can connect on a similar emotional level. The whole "legality" thing is basically discrimination and prejudice based on age. Although, considering the sick bastards of this world, it protects a lot of potential victims. |
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The Cadger More sex than a bottle of sex (6/30/01 9:31 am) |
Age..... Being in a relationship with a younger guy is harder.... I think you should be more conserned with emotional age, and mental stability. We both know I threw that to the wind for good sex and you know where that got me... |
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Ace Kendo The GAY Teletubby (6/30/01 9:59 am) 
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Re: Age..... There is the old saying that love is blind, but I wouldn't want my 16-year-old daughter pleasuring a 20-year-old. . .maybe out of a semi-jealousy of the 20-year-old for having sex with a 16-year-old. But, as long as you are two consenting adults, and the guy is rich and can buy you lots of good things, go for it. All jokes aside, age shouldn't be blind if you both are interested, have something in common, and have a good time together. Forever yours, |
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MADali Official TL Slut (6/30/01 11:08 am) 
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Re: Age..... In a way, I have some issues with sex. Sex, as a whole, is very over-blown in today's society. Things like one-night stands or sex with a girl you don't know, is harmless and maybe fun, but I'm against it, because makes sex less special. What I'm saying is, if a 20 year old guy is dating a 16 year old girl, but there is no sex involved, it should be okay, because its something meaningful. But if the sex is there, then it is probably a 20 year old guy blowing off on a younger girl, and a 16 year old girl enjoying an OLDER guy. Meh. What I do know. I lost my virginity months before I got my first kiss. |
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SweetiePup Official TL Slut (6/30/01 10:22 pm) |
Age-smage I've never thought age differences were a bad thing, but that's probably because I'm rarely attracted to someone my age. I think if two people are into each other that's all that should matter. I don't think it's wrong for a 16 and a 20-something year-old to have stupid meaningless sex. So long as they both know that's what it is. And I certainly don't think it's wrong for two people of different ages to have a meaningful relationship. This whole age thing is way overblown. Keanu Reeves (can you say DROOL?) is 36, a full 20 years older than me, and I have permission from mommy to fuck him if I ever got the chance. |
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Leitch1 Official TL Slut (7/1/01 12:38 am) 
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Re: Age-smage The worst part about eating bald pussy is putting the diaper back on. E: Spelling error. Edited by: Leitch1 at: 7/1/01 1:11:29 am |
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MADali Official TL Slut (7/1/01 1:01 am) 
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Re: Age-smage Can you say DROOL? |
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ryanz19 Official TL Slut (7/1/01 1:31 am) |
Re: Age-smage Chris, first you say that you're against people that stereotype those under the age of 18, and said that many younger people are smarter and more mature, then you go and do the same thing, by saying you'd rather have your daughter with a 20 year old, than a "stupid 16 year old." I agree with you though, for the most part. |
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ChrisPsaros dargunbalzee rewlz!!!!11 (7/1/01 2:44 am)
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Re: Age-smage I meant that GIVEN THE CHOICE betweem a mature 20 something year old and a stupid 16 year old, I would choose the former. I didn't say that anything about ALL 20 something year olds being mature, or ALL 16 year olds being stupid. |
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Zapd Bloo Fuck Queen (7/1/01 2:48 am) |
Age-smage? Several of you have mentioned the 'absurdity' of 'legal' age laws. While I see your collective points, I disagree, almost entirely. NOTE THE "ALMOST", DAMMIT. Are people under 18 allowed to vote? No. Can they get a credit card? Not without an adult signing the contract. You have to be 18 to join the army. And 18 to get married without your parent's permission. And there is a reason for all of this. WHILE certain individuals may have the maturity to make these kind of decisions before they are 18, THE COLLECTIVE DOESN'T. And that has been proven by time and experience. Really, should the average 16 year old have a credit card? Should the average 16 year old be allowed to commit 2 or 4 years to the army? Should the average 16 year old be allowed to get married without parental consent? At 16, were/are YOU personally mature enough to make these kind of life decisions without fucking up? I wasn't. My point is this. Sex is a life decision. Even in a casual sense, it has the potential for massive physical and emotional impact. Different experiences will regulate how a person views sex. Experience and age are directly related. Even an emotionally mature teenager is going to struggle with relating to an older person with more life experience (regardless of the status of their cherry), hell, it is difficult enough relating to people their own age. Add in the emotional complications of sex, and the potential for emotional disaster is great. On the other hand, an established and experienced adult has less of a gap to jump when relating to older established and experienced adults. A gap that grows narrower with age. Age laws are not just there to protect kids from predators, but also to protect kids from themselves. It gives them a time to find their own identity and to make mistakes and not have to bear the full brunt of the consequences. While the individual kid may be able to participate in a mature relationship, the collective is not. Really, who would support a 15 or 16 year old getting married in today's environment of high divorce and marital strife? And if they aren't ready to consider commitment, commitment that an older person has almost definitely considered, then are they really ready to participate in a serious (sexual) relationship with that person? Because, as has been stated, either someone is getting used, regardless of how mutually casual it is thought to be, or it is a real relationship with the emotional manipulation and serious emotional consequences that a real relationship entails. Consequesces that very few teenagers are ready to deal with. I think the real reason that this bugs me is that young people are being exposed to more sex earlier in life than ever before. And the impressions that they get are far from realistic. The last thing that they need is an older person, however well meaning, reinforcing these sexual misconceptions in a 'relationship'. My two, er, eight. Brandylion, I would love to hear your take on this, when you get the opportunity.
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prosthetic forehead Slut or just enjoys sex? You decide. (7/1/01 2:54 am) |
WOW I wasn’t really expecting all of these responses or that so many would vote that age doesn’t matter. Many many good points have been made; I’d love to comment on them all, yet that would just be redundant. So I’ll just leave it with this – I have a lot of thinking to do! |
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Ace Kendo The GAY Teletubby (7/1/01 3:33 pm)
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Re: WOW Lower the drinking age to 18!!! AND STOP HOLDING OUR HANDS!!!! Sorry, my European mentaliy rushing through the gates. Many people in the US, and I mean adults, need their damn hands held. Sue if you get burned by coffee. . . its fucking coffee, its supposed to be hot, don't put it in your lap with the top off while you're driving. Excessive fines on tobacco companies, yes they lied about the dangerous of their product, but why pay $2 billion to a man who has lung cancer from smoking, who started smoking after Surgeon General's warning. Thanks for letting me ramble on a bit. I apologize, but I can go on and on abou these types of things. Forever yours, |
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Matthew Outland Official TL Slut (7/1/01 5:33 pm) |
Re: WOW I'm horny. |
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ryanz19 Official TL Slut (7/1/01 7:25 pm) |
Re: WOW I agree with yu completely, Ace. When I heard about that lady who sued McDonalds because the coffee she ordered was too hot, I couldn't believe that someone could even make a case of that. You know the coffee is going to be fucking hot, I think it even says so on the cup. Zapd makes many good points, and I agree with the majority of them. I think that if you're 18, it's possible to have a meaningful relationship with someone a few years younger, if the younger person is of a mature mind and body. I think going below 16 years old, when you are over 18 is pushing it though. |
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ChrisPsaros dargunbalzee rewlz!!!!11 (7/2/01 2:42 am)
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Re: Age-smage? Age of consent in Japan is 14. So are they wrong? Discuss! |
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Triple Life H-N-I-C (7/2/01 2:53 am)
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Re: Age-smage? Yes because Japan is always wrong. Just look at World War II. THEY LOST.
-HST, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas |
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ryanz19 Official TL Slut (7/2/01 3:15 am) |
Re: Age-smage? When it comes to sex, Japan is not the best place to use as an example. |
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Zapd Bloo Fuck Queen (7/2/01 11:11 am) |
Cultural Relativism, Chris? Wrong? It doesn’t work that way. If we are going to compare the age of consent between cultures, then reasonably, we would also have to compare other aspects. Like crime. Sexual abuse and molestation. Divorce. Alcoholism. Drug abuse. Economics. Family relations. Politics. Laws. Social mores and taboos. And on and on. Really, it is illogical to compare cultures on something like this. The historical and ethnic foundations that are the basis for each culture are completely resistant to comparative judgment. So saying what is right or wrong in another culture without really understanding the source of that culture is premature at best. I mean, in some cultures, a boy’s first sexual experience is with an older man, and that is considered normal. Does that mean that those boys will live sexually dysfunctional lives? Not necessarily. The cultural standards have a lot to do with how we feel about what happens to us and how we react to it. Things that would be taboo, even illegal, here are not in other places, and with no real noticeable negative effects. All of which is moot when discussing the culture and laws of a specific country. Like the U.S. I am sure this is stuff you already know. So um, yeah. That and I don’t really know enough about the culture of Japan to participate in an educated conversation about it. Something I will have to rectify. Unless you know where I could get private lessons.  |
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Triple Life H-N-I-C (7/2/01 1:06 pm)
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Re: Cultural Relativism, Chris? I think the point about boys having their first sexual experience with a man was some kind of shot at Chris. But I don't know.
-HST, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas |
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ChrisPsaros dargunbalzee rewlz!!!!11 (7/2/01 1:37 pm)
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Re: Cultural Relativism, Chris? Perhaps, perhaps not, but I know what culture she's talking about. The same culture wherein a man in his 30's can marry a girl in her early teens and nobody thinks it's unusual. That would be my grandparents. Hee. |
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ryanz19 Official TL Slut (7/3/01 6:23 am) |
Re: Cultural Relativism, Chris? Look at that singer, Jerry Lee Lewis. He married his 13 year old COUSIN. Now that's fucked up. |
Brandylion  I want TL's big black cock (7/4/01 12:19 am) 
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Re: Cultural Relativism, Chris? My greatgrandfather married his 14 yr. old second cousin at the age of 28. His older sister married at 12. They were from the hills of Kentucky. Can anyone play the Deliverance theme song? Wow indeed. I could see everyone's points & they were good. I am very mature for my age. When I was 9 yrs. old, I was babysitting neighborhood kids from ages 3 months to my own age. The parents knew I was only 9, but they all thought of me as a small responsible adult. I consider myself more mature than any of my peers or even many of the people that I know who are in their early twenties. I have never been attracted to boys my own age or younger & I am not allowed to date anyone who is more than a year older than me. My current bf is 2 yrs. older than me, but he is an exception, b/c my mom knows his mom socially & he was a friend of one of my bros. for several years before we started our relationship. I've never really had the opportunity to get to know someone well who is in their twenties. However, I have searched my feelings & I am really unsure if I could handle a romantic relationship with someone older right now. It could just be my attitude affecting me, not my age or maturity level. I want to have a fun, reasonably uncomplicated life right now & I'm afraid that a man in his twenties would demand more of me than I'm willing to give. |
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Zapd Bloo Fuck Queen (7/4/01 1:00 am) |
That post, Is proof of your maturity. It is incredibly cool that you have made such an effort to know yourself and what you want.
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ChrisPsaros dargunbalzee rewlz!!!!11 (7/4/01 3:27 am)
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Re: That post, AND PROOF THAT I HAVE A POINT! If KN were here, she'd agree with me too. Passionately. She refuses to tell anyone her age BECAUSE of ageism. I myself remember being a teenager and how insanely angry I would get at being prejudged as immature. Aside from all the maturity whatever stuff, this may be a gross stereotype, but teenage girls _ALWAYS_ go for older guys, and older guys _ALWAYS_ go for younger girls. Meanwhile, the guys in their teens are left with nothing, unless they are in the higher social castes. My sister and I discussed this at length once. Also (AND THIS PART IS GAY), in the Japanese version of Sailor Moon, Usagi was 14 when her boyfriend was in college. AND THIS WAS ON A CARTOON FOR LITTLE GIRLS! That's not really meant to prove anything, I just think it's funny. |
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Zapd Bloo Fuck Queen (7/4/01 1:45 pm) |
I never denied that ageism existed. Hell, three of my four most serious runins with the police were strictly because I was young. And just for the record, being young is not sufficient suspicion for them to search your car or your person, though I have had both happen more than once. So I would agree, being prejudged because of age, whether is is in regards to maturity or criminal activity or capability is unfair. That is a gross stereotype. From what I remember in high shcool (when I wasn't having problems with the police, HA) there were a lot of couples. Kids hooking up and kissing and groping in little groups of two all over campus. And few of them were more than a year apart. I had two friends with older boyfriends, both of whom were considered social irregularities because of it. But I will agree that some, even many teenage girls prefer older guys. Probably because girls mature earlier emotionally and psychologically than guys do, or something like that. AND in Sailor Moon, remember how upset poor Usagi was every time her boyfriend had any contact with other women? Constant emotional trauma. (Sorry, I am full of bullshit today, and it keeps getting all over my computer.) Oh, and it would be nice if KN wanted to join us in this conversation. I would really like to hear her thoughts. (Not bullshit)
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Ultra Cool Girl  Official TL Slut (7/4/01 2:21 pm) 
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Re: What's twenty years... I think 16 year old girls should not be able to marry a geriatric who's already married to her three sisters. |
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Ultra Cool Girl Official TL Slut (7/4/01 2:43 pm)
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Re: What's twenty years... Ageism is the reason I refused to tell my age until a CERTAIN GREEK MALE told everyone for me. |
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ChrisPsaros dargunbalzee rewlz!!!!11 (7/4/01 3:53 pm)
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Re: What's twenty years... I'M SORRY POOPOODILLY. Wait... I don't clearly remember that event or the circumstances surrounding it. OH WAIT! WAS THAT THE TIME YOU GOT REALLY PISSED AT ME (the first time)? I guess I could pull it all out of the archives to refresh my memory, but I'm too lazy. That's the great thing about completely online-based relationships with people. You can always have a record of everything that was ever said if you go to the effort of saving it. Or if you're too lazy too delete your Trash folder. OR IF FUCKERS DON'T DELETE THEIR FORUMS BEFORE GIVING YOU A CHANCE TO SAVE SHIT. Also, Zapd, I was going to make that point about girls emotionally maturing faster than boys but I forgot to do so. That is, I think, a huge part of the whole older guy/younger girl thing. And yes, it's a gross stereotype. But it is a reality. I didn't mean _ALWAYS_ literally. Oh god, "poopoodilly" is horrible. |
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StupidMike Greatest man since ever. (7/4/01 3:55 pm) |
Re: What's twenty years... I find this topic to be unusual and informative. I would like to add my opinion, but as of yet, I do not have one. But when I make one, I will share it. Edited by: Zapd Bloo at: 7/4/01 5:08:57 pm |
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ALDP Official TL Slut (7/4/01 3:56 pm) |
Re: What's twenty years... [insert funny joke here] Edited by: Zapd Bloo at: 7/4/01 5:13:54 pm |
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StupidMike Greatest man since ever. (7/4/01 3:57 pm) |
Re: What's twenty years... It is insulting to know that older women want your ass? Does that mean that they want to violate you for your innocence, or that you have the necessary qualities to me attractive to the MATURE woman? Edited by: Zapd Bloo at: 7/4/01 5:17:43 pm |
MADali  Official TL Slut (7/4/01 5:00 pm)
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Re: What's twenty years... I like Mike and ALDP's points the most. |
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ryanz19 Official TL Slut (7/4/01 5:58 pm) |
Re: What's twenty years... They have relationships like that in anime like Sailor Moon, because it's acceptable in Japan (from what I've read, more acceptable than in the us anyway). |
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Ultra Cool Girl Official TL Slut (7/4/01 6:45 pm) |
Re: What's twenty years... Yeah, Chris, that was... Japan is a whole lot of sexual pedophiliac deviants. EDIT: And you are going to back this statement up how? Edited by: Zapd Bloo at: 7/4/01 6:53:53 pm |
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ChrisPsaros dargunbalzee rewlz!!!!11 (7/4/01 7:01 pm)
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Re: What's twenty years... Well... she's right in a sense. Japan is pretty weird and dysfunctional sexually. And I think 14 is stretching it a bit too far (NO PUN INTENDED! HO HO!) in terms of consent law. I think age of consent in the U.S. ought to be 16. Along with voting and driving. Drinking... eh... 18. |
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Ultra Cool Girl Official TL Slut (7/4/01 9:03 pm)
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Re: What's twenty years... They make aspiring american models sex slaves. I saw it on tv. |
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MANTI5 Official TL Slut (7/5/01 3:53 am) 
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Re: What's twenty years... That one post completely tarnished a decent thread. I disagree with lowering the age of consent/etc. to 16. No matter how mature a few are, the majority are becoming less so as time goes on. One needs only to look into the not-too-distant past to see how mature younger ones were compared with the youth of today. Sure, most kids hate being labeled as immature or anything derogative, anyone would. That doesn't mean it isn't true for the most part. I had more to say, but I can't seem to make that brain thingy work as effeiciantly as I would need right now. Forgivuhness please. |
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MADali Official TL Slut (7/5/01 10:09 pm)
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Re: What's twenty years... Fucking hell, most 16 year olds shouldnt be allowed near a sharp object or the road. Stupid unresponsible fucks. |
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The Cadger More sex than a bottle of sex (7/5/01 11:04 pm) |
Immaturity... That's what we are really talking about..... I knew a girl who had three abortions by the time she was 11. I think that the drinking age should be lowered the age a accountability should be lowered, and the driving age should be raised. Let kids drink at 16, let them serve life sentences for murder, and make 'em wait to drive untill they are 18 or 19. You are safeer on the road when you know what your limits are. If you don't learn your limits, you die. Which is true no matter what age you are. Natural selection, it's unfortunate that others are taken out too. But who thre fuck am I ? I'm durnk. never mind...... |
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Leitch1 Official TL Slut (7/8/01 10:29 pm)
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Re: Immaturity... Consent/Drinking/Driving laws are all State matter. HANGOVER = BAD.  IT'S TIME TO RAISE YOUR FLAG OF HATE |
"The sporting editors had also given me $300 in cash, most of which was already spent on extremely dangerous drugs. The trunk of the car looked like a mobile police narcotics lab. We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-coloured uppers, downers, screamers, laughers ... and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls."|
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