Dragon Ball Z Uncensored

[Stupid Fucking Faggot]

I just started making a list about "subjective" skill vs. "objective" skill, so please contribute to it IF YOU WOULD.

Uh, this is what I mean:

There's some stuff where one can be deceived about his own skill level, where there is a gulf between perceived ability and actual ability based on factors inherent to the activity:
- Poker (short-term luck)
- Sex (unreliable feedback)
- Acting (subjectivity of what is "good" or "bad" acting)
- Writing (general complexity of defining the skill of writing due to wide range of skills, different writing styles, etc.)

Stuff where skill is more objectively evident:
- Music playing/singing
- Games like Chess or Go (there is no luck involved)
- Drawing (at least in the technical sense)
- Dancing/gymnastics (uh, dik?)

More please!

[Action Hank]

FIRST TO POST!

[Vinny]

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[Jason]

Chris is wrong about all of the things he listed as subjective and it's probably just because he's bad at them.

[Stupid Fucking Faggot]

There is ABSOLUTELY a tendency for people to overestimate their skill at all of the things I mentioned, because of the gulf phenomenon.

You can't easily delude yourself into thinking you're good at playing chess if you face regular competition, but you can DEFINITELY think you're better at poker than you really are!

And sex? Forget about it. EVERYONE thinks they're better at sex than they really are.

[Jason]

I'm going to find Janie and seduce her and post images of her licking her breast here.

[Let My Love Open The Door]

Music playing is subjective as acting and writing.

[Stupid Fucking Faggot]

It's also possible to UNDERestimate your ability at those things too, so I am including that.

And there's definitely some subjectivity in the things I listed as objective. You can't really "grade" a pianist, for example.

However, you can't just sit down at a piano and start playing something that sounds good unless you have some technique. That's why it's in the objective category. You can't fake it.

Any shithead can sit down and write a novel though and think that it's good, when it's actually terrible.

[Jason]

Then, Marina.

[Captain PUNisher]

Well, I like plenty of vocalists who can't sing well.

But I guess the sing well part is objective.
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[Let My Love Open The Door]

The criteria you're basing your lists on is idiotic.

[Magic Juan]

What the hell is "subjective" skill?

[Let My Love Open The Door]

People can't "fake" piano (although it's probably happened), but they can fake singing and, I dunno, whistling. People can have an intuitive grasp on rhythm and melody without any formal training.

[Let My Love Open The Door]

Don't ask Chris, Magic Juan! He doesn't know either.

[Magic Juan]

I can't dance but I have a very good sense of rhythmn in terms of picking stuff up on bass with little formal training.

[Derek Payne]

A skill where you can clearly be better at it than other people but mitigating factors would affect a performance or game. Such as poker with luck or acting with a script (there's nothing a phenomenal actor can do with a horrendous script).

[Theldorrin]

Musical instrument playing is only subjective in the upper levels.

Anyone can write a poem, and it will be of subjective quality, but if you task the same people with playing a composition some people will fail utterly.

[Magic Juan]

Derek, how does anything you just described relate to that being subjective?

[Magic Juan]

Instrument playing being only subjective at higher levels is bullshit.

[Magic Juan]

I mean yes, it is MORE NOTICEABLE, but that's about it.