Dragon Ball Z Uncensored

[Fagzilla]

This is my belief at the moment, but I am wondering what other people think.

It seems to me that there's an enormous difference between music and movies, in terms of how they are CONSUMED, which is why downloading killed CDs, but DVD/BD seems to be doing fine.

Typically a person buys a DVD/BD because they truly love a movie and want it as part of a movie collection. Since watching a disc is a passive time investment of 60-200 minutes, it's relatively not all that inconvenient to have to riffle through a thingy of discs to pull one out and put it in a player.

One is also more likely to watch movies from a home entertainment center that is NOT hooked up to a computer from which downloaded files would be summoned and played.

Additionally, it's impractical to store disc ISOs on a hard drive due to space demands.

Plus, you can RENT movies! The business model for movies has priced consumption-without-ownership in for decades, and for the most part, the content owners/creators make nothing from people renting.

I've always thought it was weird that any mom-and-pop video store can buy a movie once for $20, quickly regain the investment, and then profit infinitely and without sharing with the content owners in any way by renting it out hundreds of times.

So, the owners of the material consider it perfectly okay for me to rent it, and for the owners of a video store to get 99.9999% of the profit from that rental, yet they consider it horribly illegal for me to download that same movie, from which nobody profits, and keeping in mind in either case that no actual DVD SALE was lost, since none would have occurred. Huh?

Music is different than movies of course, in that people are as likely to want to listen to mixes of individual songs as they are entire albums. So having music stored and accessed as non-physical DIGITALIA is more user-friendly in every conceivable way, while discs are cumbersome. So yeah, of COURSE downloading killed CDs. Not only is there no benefit to owning a CD, it's actually a hassle to own a CD. And if people can get the material for free, so much the better. Why would you go out of your way, and pay money, to be inconvenienced?

And the iTunes music store has helped solve all of this anyway. Are they NOT selling a shit-ton of music through iTunes? I mean, fuck CDs. And sorry music, if the nature of what you are lends itself to easy downloading/trading. Same goes for software (of course software is far more protectable).

[Theldorrin]

I think movie rentals are more of a historical thing. They existed back when actually purchasing the cassette was very expensive. I would never rent a movie nowadays, because it can be of comparable cost to buy it.

I don't know what BD stands for.

You're also forgetting that movies are full of advertisements that make having a digital copy much more convenient. Also the space concerns are moot with modern harddrives.

iTunes is shit and you shouldn't use it.
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[Theldorrin]

Also you're forgetting that study that showed music downloads improve sales.
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[Servbot]

I think he meant Blu-Ray.

[Fagzilla]

What study? This is the kind of thing I'd like people to link to in this thread!

I guess I don't know about MUSIC as a whole, but there's not really any debate that downloadin' killed CDs. Unless the death of CDs and record stores was some kind of coincidence that just happened to coincide with downloading.

And Theldorrin knows what I mean by BD, he's trolling for some gay reason that I don't know or care about.

[Fagzilla]

I just want to know if there are any anti-downloading fags here.

Thinking about it, it's possible that there isn't a single one.

[Theldorrin]

http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/FileSharing_March2004.pdf

Here's a news article about it.
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1027_3-5181562.html

Of course there isn't much debate. The nerds know that it wasn't downloading that changed matters, and they have facts on their side. And the music industry acts like it did in spite of evidence to the contrary and they control the mainstream media.

The music industry is run by morons. They're not interested in diversity. They frequently sabotage their own efforts ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war and also their lobbying efforts and prosecution for piracy). The price of music is also too high for what they're offering. Look at the price of buying a movie and how it has steadily dropped, and then compare that to how music prices increased drastically with the transition from cassette to CD (and didn't exactly drop with the insane download prices, too, even though the costs of running an online store purely digital store are basically nothing compared to running a brick and mortar variety).
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[Theldorrin]

Actually, I think that study only shows that it doesn't hurt them.

I'm not sure if there are studies showing that it improves them.

I've never heard of a study from someone credible saying that it hurt it, either.
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[ALDP]

Fucking loudness wars!

[Theldorrin]

Piracy definitely helps sales of certain software.
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[Theldorrin]

The music industry likes trying to criminalize or prevent potential new revenue streams.

*kills off internet radio*
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[ALDP]

My guilty feelings about not buying music are mainly because good independent music stores are a good way to find new music and are COOL. I try to buy music once in a while, I like to have CDs to listen to in the car.

[Theldorrin]

I subscribed to emusic for a while. Their prices are half that of iTunes and it's in MP3 format without DRM, so I can actually play the files.
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[Magic Juan]

CD sales starting slumping before the advent of Napster. It is difficult to determine causality or correlation.

That being said, music downloading has been the best thing that has happened to the medium in approximately 30 years.